<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div>Hi Gareth,</div><div> You are not being at all unreasonable and there are some efforts to improve the install experience. What platform are you on? If you are on a Macintosh, see <a href="https://github.com/jgfoster/GemStoneApp">https://github.com/jgfoster/GemStoneApp</a>. If you are on Ubuntu, see <a href="https://programminggems.wordpress.com/2020/06/17/installing-gemstone-s-on-ubuntu/">https://programminggems.wordpress.com/2020/06/17/installing-gemstone-s-on-ubuntu/</a> or <a href="https://alpha-ppa.gemtalksystems.com/">https://alpha-ppa.gemtalksystems.com/</a>. Note that these are unofficial projects but could be made more official if there were sufficient demand. If are evaluating GemStone I’d be happy to walk through this with you, just send an email to me at <a href="mailto:James.Foster@GemTalkSystems.com">James.Foster@GemTalkSystems.com</a>. James [resending to the list] <blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div>On Feb 5, 2024, at 3:38 AM, Gareth Cox via GemStone-Smalltalk <gemstone-smalltalk@lists.gemtalksystems.com> wrote: <blockquote type="cite"></blockquote> Hi All I've installed many different database systems of various types on various operating systems and platforms. I'm just wondering if I'm being unreasonable when I say that Gemstone is the most complex install I've ever encountered, not just as a database system, but as software in general. Reading the install documentation I have to read until around page 17 before I get actual install instructions. Everything else is about environment setup (Critical if you want Gemstone to work). I also feel that a lot of the commands required for setting variables and such could be done with an install script (I don't mind answering questions to an install script). Even things like netldi install could be an install script with questions about what port, do you want to reload the systems database, do you want to start netldi after install. Its just incredibly manual and when something doesn't work (like the aformentioned netldi), you're basically stuck until you can ask an expert on the mailing lists. A hobbist might relish the time spent doing all of these things and trying to get it working on their custom linux distribution but a full time employee who has been asked by their company to asses the system for use in a furture product, I don't really have the time to spend trying to get the system up and running, leaving me no time to actually asses the system. A concern here is having to repeat his process for each of our clients should the company choose gemstone. Am I being unreasonable? -- Gareth Cox inspired! 078 374 9035 gareth@inspired.org www.inspired.org _______________________________________________ GemStone-Smalltalk mailing list GemStone-Smalltalk@lists.gemtalksystems.com <div><div>https://lists.gemtalksystems.com/mailman/listinfo/gemstone-smalltalk </div></div></div></div></blockquote> </div> </body></html>