<div dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">6. For an IDE you can use Topaz (for old-school vim/gdb users), GBS (if you have a license for VA or VW), Jadeite (<a href="https://github.com/GemTalk/Jadeite" target="_blank">https://github.com/GemTalk/Jadeite</a> or its predecessor, Jade (<a href="https://github.com/jgfoster/Jade" target="_blank">https://github.com/jgfoster/Jade</a>)), or experiment with Sparkle (<a href="https://github.com/GemTalk/Sparkle" target="_blank">https://github.com/GemTalk/Sparkle</a>). To learn more about Sparkle I suggest you watch Martin McClure’s upcoming presentation (<a href="https://www.meetup.com/UKSTUG/events/282299228/" target="_blank">https://www.meetup.com/UKSTUG/events/282299228/</a>).</blockquote><div><br></div><div>With regards to Jadeite. it is an IDE for Rowan-based development[1] and Rowan has not been released. With that said we have one customer using Rowan v1.2 and one customer using Rowan v2.2 and we will be making Rowan v2.2 available as an alpha in an upcoming release targeting 3.6.x. If you are interested in Rowan, contact me directly and I can provide you with more information.</div><div><br></div><div>Dale</div><div>[1] <a href="https://github.com/GemTalk/Rowan">https://github.com/GemTalk/Rowan</a></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 12:24 AM James Foster via Glass <<a href="mailto:glass@lists.gemtalksystems.com">glass@lists.gemtalksystems.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Hi Charles,<div><br></div><div>In response to your specific question:</div><div><br></div><div>1. To talk to GemStone from Pharo you can use the GCI library (with something like SparkleFFI (<a href="https://github.com/GemTalk/SparkleFFI" target="_blank">https://github.com/GemTalk/SparkleFFI</a>) or something that talks directly to a Gem that has its own API (such as <a href="https://github.com/jgfoster/WebGS" target="_blank">https://github.com/jgfoster/WebGS</a>).</div><div><br></div><div>2. A Gem can be notified if an object changes and then it could notify a client. I believe that RemoteServiceReplication (<a href="https://github.com/GemTalk/RemoteServiceReplication" target="_blank">https://github.com/GemTalk/RemoteServiceReplication</a>) will (eventually) provide synchronization between GemStone and Pharo, but I’m not able to answer questions about it. With respect to supporting Web Sockets, WebGS (see #1) does have that capability. I’m not aware of any other messaging implementations.</div><div><br></div><div>3. As noted by others, GemConnect for Postgres (<a href="https://github.com/GemTalk/GemConnect-for-Postgres" target="_blank">https://github.com/GemTalk/GemConnect-for-Postgres</a>) is available under the MIT license.</div><div><br></div><div>4. The performance for MFC has _vastly_ improved. A job that took several days can now be done in a few hours with minimal disruption on regular operation. It is now very realistic to plan for 24x7 uptime (I understand that one customer schedules 1 day per year of downtime for upgrades, etc.).</div><div><br></div><div>5. GemStone runs fine under WSL 2. It runs under WSL 1 but required a special keyfile to get around WSL 1 bugs.</div><div><br></div><div>6. For an IDE you can use Topaz (for old-school vim/gdb users), GBS (if you have a license for VA or VW), Jadeite (<a href="https://github.com/GemTalk/Jadeite" target="_blank">https://github.com/GemTalk/Jadeite</a> or its predecessor, Jade (<a href="https://github.com/jgfoster/Jade" target="_blank">https://github.com/jgfoster/Jade</a>)), or experiment with Sparkle (<a href="https://github.com/GemTalk/Sparkle" target="_blank">https://github.com/GemTalk/Sparkle</a>). To learn more about Sparkle I suggest you watch Martin McClure’s upcoming presentation (<a href="https://www.meetup.com/UKSTUG/events/282299228/" target="_blank">https://www.meetup.com/UKSTUG/events/282299228/</a>).</div><div><br></div><div>James</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jan 18, 2022, at 7:03 AM, Charles Monteiro via Glass <<a href="mailto:glass@lists.gemtalksystems.com" target="_blank">glass@lists.gemtalksystems.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hi all,<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Not sure if this is the right spot to ask,let me know if not, this is more of sales evaluation i.e. that’s the intent.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:rgb(47,84,150)"><span style="font-size:13pt">Context</span></span>:<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I wish to evaluate Gemstone/S at first for some more tangential needs that are currently targeted for Mongo.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Our core product actually runs over Oracle and soon over any RDMS but for practical purposes we are targetting Postgres.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">However, potentially the bigger need.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From my FPL and Brooklyn Union Gas days I became quite familiar with using GemBuilder for VW however instead I want to engage Gemstone from Pharo and I understand that not to work the same way.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Recently , (yesterday) I discovered Sparkle which led me to discovering SparkleFFI , so there’s apparently some efforts under way to provide comm from Pharo to Gemstone i.e. more akin to Gembuilder/VW.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Anyhow, to cut to the chase.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:rgb(47,84,150)"><span style="font-size:13pt">Objectives</span></span>:<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I’m not interested in building a Seaside app that uses Gemstone for its persistence.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Rather, very thin , quite dumb Svelte/JS UIs will talk to Pharo microservice(s) which in turn will talk to Gemstone i.e. that’s the hope.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I would prefer some rpc mechanism where transaction boundaries are controlled from Pharo but I”ll be happy with whatever mechanism I can use to pass objects to Gemstone.<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">So:<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><ol start="1" type="1" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-top:0in"><li style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">How do I talk to Gemstone from Pharo ?<span> </span><u></u><u></u></li><ol start="1" type="a" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-top:0in"><li style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I believe that Zinc can actually run on Gemstone so json/http(s) would be one way ? Any other way ? best way ?<u></u><u></u></li></ol><li style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Is there a notification / push mechanism now in place e.g. change to a Gemstone collection could be notified to interested parties (Pharo)<u></u><u></u></li><ol start="1" type="a" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-top:0in"><li style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Is there a web socket implementation?<u></u><u></u></li><li style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Any other messaging implementation ? MQTT ? RabbitMQ etc ?<span> </span><u></u><u></u></li></ol><li style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">GemConnect / Postgres , would there be a separate additional license fee ?<u></u><u></u></li><li style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Has the performance of markForCollection changed much in all of these years i.e. does one have to allocate downtime ? i.e. what if the app actually needed to run 24x7, what are the accommodations for said scenario under current Gemstone/S.<u></u><u></u></li><li style="margin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