[Glass] GemTools on remote server

Dale Henrichs via Glass glass at lists.gemtalksystems.com
Mon Mar 30 11:41:18 PDT 2015


Dario,

I just tried again and I started with an ico downloaded from the ubuntu 
site:

   ubuntu-14.04-server-amd64.iso

Created the vm using vmware player 7.x.

Installed ssh manually:
   sudo apt-get -y update
   sudo apt-get -y install openssh-client
   sudo apt-get -y install openssh-server

scp'd the osPrereqs script that I mailed you to the server and ran it with:

   ./osPrereqs -G -X -o ubuntu14.04

When it finished I logged out and back in using the `X` flag to ssh:

   ssh 192.168.100.131 -l dhenrich -X

then launched GemTools on the server

   GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-3101x.app/GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-3101x.sh &

and it came up fine ...


Soooo, there must be something different about the setup of your 
Ubuntu14.0.4 virtual machine ...

Now I never did track the exact X11:i386 library that was needed by the 
Pharo1.1.x vm, but the sane:i386 did the trick for me...

Dale

On 03/30/2015 11:02 AM, Dale Henrichs wrote:
> So Dario,
>
> Just to check ...
>
> tODE works when run on the server (using X11 forwarding) or on your 
> local macbook (using port forwarding).
>
> GemTools works on your local macbook (using port forwarding) and not 
> on the server (with X11 forwarding)...
>
> The latest stable vm for Pharo-3.0 does not work with the old Pharo1.1 
> images, so we will need to figure out the magic that it takes to get 
> GemTools working on your server .... I have it working on my server, 
> but I will try again to verify that I didn't sneak in a package 
> upgrade that I forgot to include ...
>
> Dale
>
> On 03/30/2015 10:31 AM, Dale Henrichs wrote:
>> Dario,
>>
>> tODE uses Pharo3.0 and GemTools uses Pharo1.1.x ... the required X11 
>> libraries are different between the two vms ...
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> On 03/30/2015 10:02 AM, Dario Trussardi via Glass wrote:
>>> Dale,
>>>
>>> tODE client works into remote without problem.
>>>
>>> GemTools not.
>>>
>>> it's strange !?
>>>
>>> It's a GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-3101x.sh definition problem ?
>>>
>>> Dario
>>>
>>>> Dario,
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a clue at this point, since that was the formula that 
>>>> worked for me ...
>>>>
>>>> Below is  the script that I used to install all of the 
>>>> prerequisites using the `-G -X -o ubuntu14.04` options...
>>>>
>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> #! /bin/bash
>>>> #=========================================================================
>>>> # Copyright (c) 2015 GemTalk Systems, LLC 
>>>> <dhenrich at gemtalksystems.com>.
>>>> #=========================================================================
>>>>
>>>> echo "================="
>>>> echo "   GsDevKit script: $(basename $0) $*"
>>>> echo "================="
>>>>
>>>> set -e # exit on error
>>>>
>>>> usage() {
>>>>   cat <<HELP
>>>> USAGE: $(basename $0) [-h] -o [ubuntu12.04|ubuntu14.04] [-X] [-G]
>>>>
>>>> Install os-specific required packages:
>>>>   - 32 bit libraries
>>>>   - git
>>>>   - curl
>>>>   - unzip
>>>>   - ssl
>>>>   - PAM
>>>>
>>>> and os-specific optional packages:
>>>>   - X11
>>>>
>>>> OPTIONS
>>>>   -h
>>>>      display help
>>>>   -o
>>>>      select os
>>>>   -G
>>>>      install GemTools and the GemTools prerequisites
>>>>   -X
>>>>      if present, X11 client installed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> EXAMPLES
>>>>   ./$(basename $0) -h
>>>>   ./$(basename $0) -o ubuntu12.04
>>>>   ./$(basename $0) -X -o ubuntu12.04
>>>>   ./$(basename $0) -G -X -o ubuntu12.04
>>>>
>>>> HELP
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> installUbuntuPackages(){
>>>>     sudo apt-get -y update
>>>>     sudo apt-get -y install curl
>>>>     sudo apt-get -y install git
>>>>     sudo apt-get -y install zip
>>>>     sudo apt-get -y install unzip
>>>>     sudo apt-get -y install libpam0g:i386
>>>>     sudo apt-get -y install libssl1.0.0:i386
>>>>     sudo apt-get -y install gcc-multilib libstdc++6:i386
>>>>     sudo apt-get -y install gdb
>>>>     sudo apt-get -y install libfreetype6:i386
>>>>     sudo apt-get -y install pstack
>>>>     sudo /bin/su -c "echo 'kernel.yama.ptrace_scope = 0' 
>>>> >>/etc/sysctl.d/10-ptrace.conf"
>>>>     if [ "${X11client}x" = "1x" ] ; then
>>>>       sudo apt-get -y install libgl1-mesa-dev:i386
>>>>       sudo apt-get -y install libxcb-dri2-0:i386
>>>>     fi
>>>>     if [ "${gemtools}" = "true" ] ; then
>>>>       sudo apt-get -y install sane:i386
>>>>       sudo apt-get -y install libsm6:i386
>>>>       if [ ! -d "GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-31x.app" ] ; then
>>>>         wget 
>>>> http://seaside.gemtalksystems.com/squeak/GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-310x.zip
>>>>         unzip GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-31x.zip
>>>>       fi
>>>>     fi
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> os=""
>>>> X11client=""
>>>> gemtools=""
>>>>
>>>> while getopts "ho:GX" OPT ; do
>>>>   case "$OPT" in
>>>>     G) gemtools="true";;
>>>>     h) usage; exit 0 ;;
>>>>     o) os="${OPTARG}" ;;
>>>>     X) X11client="1";;
>>>>     *) usage; exit 1 ;;
>>>>   esac
>>>> done
>>>> shift $(($OPTIND - 1))
>>>>
>>>> case "$os" in
>>>>   ubuntu12.04)
>>>>     installUbuntuPackages
>>>>     sudo ln -f -s /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpam.so.0 /lib/libpam.so.0
>>>>     sudo ln -f -s /usr/lib/i386-lin-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 
>>>> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so
>>>>   ;;
>>>>   ubuntu14.04)
>>>>     installUbuntuPackages
>>>>     sudo ln -f -s /usr/lib/i386-lin-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 
>>>> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so
>>>>     ;;
>>>>   *) usage; exit 1;;
>>>> esac
>>>>
>>>> On 03/28/2015 04:12 AM, Dario Trussardi via Glass wrote:
>>>>> Dale,
>>>>>
>>>>> i think to update the ubuntu server to:
>>>>>
>>>>>         sudo apt-get -y update
>>>>>
>>>>>         sudo apt-get -y install curl
>>>>>
>>>>>         sudo apt-get -y install git
>>>>>
>>>>>         sudo apt-get -y install unzip
>>>>>
>>>>>         sudo apt-get -y install libpam0g:i386
>>>>>
>>>>>         sudo apt-get -y install libssl1.0.0:386
>>>>>
>>>>>         sudo apt-get -y install libssl1.0.0:i386
>>>>>
>>>>>         sudo apt-get -y install -qq gcc-multilib libstdc++6:i386
>>>>>
>>>>>         sudo ln -s /usr/lib/i386-lin-gnu/libstdc++.so.6
>>>>>         /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so
>>>>>
>>>>>         sudo apt-get -y install gdb
>>>>>
>>>>>         sudo apt-get -y install libfreetype6:i386
>>>>>
>>>>>         sudo apt-get -y install pstack
>>>>>
>>>>>         sudo /bin/su -c "echo 'kernel.yama.ptrace_scope = 0'
>>>>>         >>/etc/sysctl.d/10-ptrace.conf"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         sudo apt-get -y install libgl1-mesa-dev:i386
>>>>>
>>>>>         sudo apt-get -y install libxcb-dri2-0:i386
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         sudo apt-get install sane:i386
>>>>>
>>>>>           sudo apt-get install libsm6:i386
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But when i do the command:
>>>>>
>>>>> scandella at scandella:/opt/GemTools/GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-3101x.app$ 
>>>>> ./GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-3101x.sh
>>>>>
>>>>> the system answer the same error:
>>>>>
>>>>>     could not find module vm-display-X11
>>>>>     Annullato (core dump creato)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Considerations ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dario
>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay in addition to the published 14.04 prereqs[1] (including X11 
>>>>>> client prereqs[2]), the following two packages need to be loaded 
>>>>>> for GemTools to work on Ubuntu14.04:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   sudo apt-get install sane:i386
>>>>>>   sudo apt-get install libsm6:i386
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] 
>>>>>> https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/osPrereqs/ubuntu14.04.md#install-basic-prerequisites-required
>>>>>> [2] 
>>>>>> https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/osPrereqs/ubuntu14.04.md#install-x11-client-optional
>>>>>> On 03/27/2015 11:51 AM, Dale Henrichs wrote:
>>>>>>> Dario,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think I have stumbled across the magic for getting GemTools to 
>>>>>>> run on 14.04. Try this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   sudo apt-get install libx11-6:i386 libsm6:i386
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had done some other installs along the way, but with no 
>>>>>>> success ... Since I've pretty much trashed my ubuntu vms during 
>>>>>>> this excercise, I will have to start with fresh ubuntu installs 
>>>>>>> to verify exactly what is needed and that will be a little while ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I'm done I will verify and include the GemTools information 
>>>>>>> in the soon to be released gsDevKitHome 1.0.0 documentation:)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>> On 03/27/2015 10:42 AM, Dario Trussardi via Glass wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dale,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dario,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Use `sudo netstat -p` to find out process is using that port ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the Ubuntu server into  ssh  the sudo netstat -p
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> seems not occupy  the 57858 port.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can the problem is into mackBook ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The macBook command netstat   report:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tcp4 14 0 localhost.57858 localhost.51370 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0 
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51361 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0 
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51323 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0 
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51234 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0 
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51187 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0 
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51177 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0 
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51167 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0 
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51142 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0 
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51123 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0 
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51120 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0 
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51109 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0 
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51065 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0 
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51063 CLOSE_WAIT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What i need do ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dario
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 03/27/2015 09:52 AM, Dario Trussardi via Glass wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dale,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dario,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure right now ... Pharo1.1 must have a different set of 
>>>>>>>>>>> prerequisites ... it will take a bit of time for me to 
>>>>>>>>>>> figure that out, I suppose you could try running GemTools 
>>>>>>>>>>> over the lan using the ssh port forwarding until I figure 
>>>>>>>>>>> out the missing prerequisites ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No after reboot the Ubuntu system server,  the GemTools  on 
>>>>>>>>>> macBook don't work,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  because when i open the ssh session with :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> meetingto:~ dtr$ ssh  scandella -l scandella -L 
>>>>>>>>>> 57858:localhost:57858 -L 57860:localhost:5786
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the 57858 i already in use.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See the point:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Another questions about macBook GemTools problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dario
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/27/2015 09:24 AM, Dario Trussardi via Glass wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dale,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dario,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As part of my work for the soon to be released 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gsDevKitHome 1.0.0, I have taken a pretty close look at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the prerequisites[2] and I've got a detailed list of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> prerequisites for Ubuntu14.04[2]. I think I've added a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of prereqs since you've done an install ... mainly 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the areas of support for ptrace (C stack straces) and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> freetype fonts for pharo.  Check you list against the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> required prereqs[5].
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't verify the prerequisite for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks like you have the X11 Client already installed on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the server, so you will need to install GemTools on the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> server. You should just be able to scp the GemTools zip 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> file over to the server and go ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I open ssh session with:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ssh -X scandella -l scandella -L 57858:localhost:57858 -L 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 57860:localhost:57860
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And submit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> export GS_HOME=/opt/oodb/gsDevKitHome
>>>>>>>>>>>> export PATH=$GS_HOME/bin:$PATH
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> $GS_HOME/bin/todeClient
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It work fine and i can submit tODE command on:gestionale   
>>>>>>>>>>>>  environment
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> After i download and unzip: 
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://seaside.gemtalksystems.com/squeak/GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-310x.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When i submit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> scandella at scandella:/opt/GemTools/GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-3101x.app$ 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ./GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-3101x.sh
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the system answer:
>>>>>>>>>>>> could not find module vm-display-X11 Annullato (core dump 
>>>>>>>>>>>> creato)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea about it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Another questions about macBook GemTools problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> after reboot the server Ubuntu system now when i open a ssh 
>>>>>>>>>>>> on my macBook with:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> meetingto:~ dtr$ ssh  scandella -l scandella -L 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 57858:localhost:57858 -L 57860:localhost:5786
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the system answer:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     bind: Address already in use
>>>>>>>>>>>>     channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 57858
>>>>>>>>>>>>     bind: Address already in use
>>>>>>>>>>>>     channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 57860
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Could not request local forwarding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Welcome to Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS (GNU/Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>     3.13.0-24-generic x86_64)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A this point when i open the GemTools on my macBook and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> open the session the system answer:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Error: Unable to create a GemStone session.
>>>>>>>>>>>> NetLDI service '57858' not found on node 'localhost' port 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 57858 :
>>>>>>>>>>>>  For further information about login failures, check the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> gem log file
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understund because 57858 i already in use after 
>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot the system.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Before use the ssh -X ..................  all worked well, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  at the login the 57858 is free  and GemTools session work 
>>>>>>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any considerations?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dario
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the best performance using GemTools, I think that X11 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forwarding[3] (instructions included) is probably the best 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> option. In my limited experience using X11 forwarding 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with compression) with tODE, the update delays are not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nearly as annoying as the pretty long round trip induced 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> delays seen when using GemTools over the WAN.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, I think that SSH port forwarding[4] is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best option for tODE. tODE does a pretty good job of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> limiting the number of round trips so having snappier 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> window updates is appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does that clarify things for you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/osPrereqs/osPrereqs.md
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/osPrereqs/ubuntu14.04.md
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/x11ForwardingForRemoteDisplays.md
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [4] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/portForwardingForRemoteLogins.md
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [5] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/osPrereqs/ubuntu14.04.md#install-basic-prerequisites-required
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/26/2015 05:11 AM, Dario Trussardi via Glass wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dale, Mariano,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for now my server tODE environment is installed into my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office and i don't have performance problem with GemTools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the next week the server will installed on remote 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office of my client and i'm interested to work on it from 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my home office on WAN.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But i don't have clear that i need to install on the server.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The server is based on Ubuntu 14.04 server  and for now i 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install git
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install unzip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install curl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libpam0g:i386
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libssl1.0.0:386
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libssl1.0.0:i386
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install -qq gcc-multilib libstdc++6:i386
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/i386-lin-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libx11-6:i386
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libgl1-mesa-dev:i386
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libxcb-dri2-0:i386
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What other i need to load ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What i need to load for GemTools on the server( and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relative prerequisite ) ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After installed all, how i can test the GemTools load on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the server with X11 forwarding ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Into another e-mail Dale write:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things are a bit snappier if I use port forwarding, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the advantage of XLL forwarding is that you don't have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to install GemTools on the remote system...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But relative performance are good?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the best solutions, i'm confusing?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any help, considerations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dario
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mariano,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have a point that ssh tunneling for X may be a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better option ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dario, When we get the port forwarding option working, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can give X11 forwarding a go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'd need to install the X client on your server and I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have another little writeup (that's part of the soon to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be release gsDevKitHome 1.0.0) that details the X 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> packages that need to be installed for X11 client [1], 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since you don't need the full blown X server for X11 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forwarding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/osPrereqs/ubuntu14.04.md#x11-client-optional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/25/15 7:14 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dario,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not read the full email.... but If you allow me a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick recommendation (maybe offtopic here), I would not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use remote GemTools. It is really too slow and becomes 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusable. It is far easier and faster to use SSH with X 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward and run GemTools locally in your server. So in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GemTools you simply put localhost etc... and then do 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ssh -X etc..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you can even improve performance of SSH with X by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alias ssh-x='ssh -c arcfour,blowfish-cbc -XC'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then ssh-x myserver...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Dale Henrichs via 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glass <glass at lists.gemtalksystems.com 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:glass at lists.gemtalksystems.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Dario,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     I'll have to wait for Martin to chime in with what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     he thinks may be going on now ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     but, I'm inclined to take a different tack to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     address your GemTools remote login problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     You have ssh installed and you can log into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     remote machine using ssh, so you should be able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     setup ssh port forwarding for GemTools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     I've done a writeup on this as part of the soon to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     be released gsDevKitHome 1.0.0[1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     In a nutshell you do the following (after setting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     up the static ip address):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     ssh scandella -l scandella -L 57858:localhost:57858
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     -L 57860:localhost:57860
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     # cd to your gestionale directory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     . defStone.env
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     $GEMSTONE/bin/startnetldi -a scandella -g -p
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     57860:57860 -P 57858 gestionale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     The use localhost in your session description, :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       OGCustomSessionDescription new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     name: 'Scandella3106 gestionale';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     stoneHost: 'localhost';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     stoneName: 'gestionale';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     gemHost: 'localhost';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     netLDI: '57858';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Dale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/portForwardingForRemoteLogins.md
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     On 3/25/15 3:07 AM, Dario Trussardi via Glass wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Dale,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Dario,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Replace the line:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     $GS_HOME/bin/tode startnetldi $stoneName
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     -A192.168.1.10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     with a direct call to the startnetldi as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     described in my last email:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     $GEMSTONE/bin/startnetldi -g -a $USER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     -A192.168.1.10 -l \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     $GEMSTONE_LOGDIR/${stoneName}_ldi.log \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     ${stoneName}_ldi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     BUUUUUUT,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     OK i do this test, i report what i do:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     before we get to the point where we are trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     debug the startNetldi script, let's verify that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     you can start a netldi that works with your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     remote GemTools. So:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       1. login in as the user that is running your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     stone processes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     I login as scandella
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       2. cd $GS_HOME/gemstone/stones/<stone-name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     i go to my gestionale stone   directory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       3. execute the following bash script:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           . defStone.env
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     i do the command:    . defStone.env( with a blank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     after the. )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       4. then manually start the netldi:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     $GEMSTONE/bin/startnetldi -g -a $USER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     -A192.168.1.10 -l \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     $GEMSTONE_LOGDIR/${GEMSTONE_NAME}_ldi.log \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     ${GEMSTONE_NAME}_ldi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     i do the command :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      $GEMSTONE/bin/startnetldi -g -a scandella
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     -A192.168.1.10 -l
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     $GEMSTONE_LOGDIR/gestionale_ldi.log \gestionale_ldi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     It Report:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         GemStone version '3.1.0.6'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         startnetldi[Info]: Starting GemStone network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         server 'gestionale_ldi'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         startnetldi[Info]: GEMSTONE is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         '/opt/oodb/gsDevKitHome/gemstone/stones/gestionale/product'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         startnetldi[Info]: GEMSTONE_NRS_ALL is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         '#dir:$GEMSTONE_LOGDIR#log:%N%P.log'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         startnetldi[Info]: Log file is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         '/opt/oodb/gsDevKitHome/gemstone/stones/gestionale/logs/gestionale_ldi.log'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         startnetldi[Info]: GemStone server
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         'gestionale_ldi' has been started, process 4336 .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Now the scandella at scandella:~$ netstat -ltpn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     command report :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             (Non tutti i processi potrebbero essere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             identificati, le informazioni sui processi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             non propri
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              non saranno mostrate, per visualizzarle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             tutte bisogna avere privilegi di root.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             Connessioni Internet attive (solo server)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             Proto CodaRic CodaInv Indirizzo locale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              Indirizzo remoto Stato PID/Program name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             tcp  0      0 0.0.0.0:21
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             <http://0.0.0.0:21/>  0.0.0.0:* LISTEN      -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             tcp  0      0 0.0.0.0:22
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             <http://0.0.0.0:22/>  0.0.0.0:* LISTEN      -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             tcp  0      0 0.0.0.0:25
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             <http://0.0.0.0:25/>  0.0.0.0:* LISTEN      -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             tcp  0      0 0.0.0.0:80 <http://0.0.0.0/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              0.0.0.0:* LISTEN      -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             tcp6   0      0 :::22           :::*    
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              LISTEN    -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             tcp6   0      0 :::25           :::*    
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              LISTEN    -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             tcp6   0      0 127.0.0.1:57858
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             <http://127.0.0.1:57858/>         :::*  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              LISTEN  4336/netldid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             tcp6   0      0 ::1:57858           :::*  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                LISTEN  4336/netldid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             tcp6   0      0 192.168.1.10:57858
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             <http://192.168.1.10:57858/>      :::*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              LISTEN  4336/netldid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             tcp6   0      0 127.0.0.1:54660
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             <http://127.0.0.1:54660/>         :::*  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              LISTEN  4248/shrpcmonitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             tcp6   0      0 ::1:54660           :::*  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                LISTEN  4248/shrpcmonitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             tcp6   0      0 :::57323          :::*    
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              LISTEN    4246/stoned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       5. test your remote GemTools
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     I update the GemTools session:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       OGCustomSessionDescription new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     name: 'Scandella3106 gestionale';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     stoneHost: 'scandella';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     stoneName: 'gestionale';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     gemHost: 'scandella';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     netLDI: '57858';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     .............
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     ...........
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     It don't work, when i do theGemTools loginthe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     system go into loop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      until i stoped the:gestionale_ldi 4336 process
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Dario
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     When we get GemTools working with a manually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     started netldi, then you can try changing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     startNetldi script.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Dale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     On 03/24/2015 04:02 PM, Dario Trussardi via Glass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Dale, Martin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     On 03/24/2015 01:02 PM, Dario Trussardi via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Glass wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     What do you intend with:  did this fix it for you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     For now i don't resolve the problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     OK, thanks. From your previous message I wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     sure whether you were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     still seeing the problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Considerations?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     The netldi is only listening on the IPv6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     localhost address. If you want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     to use GemTools from another machine, it must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     also listen on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     192.168.1.10 address. I'm not sure why it isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     already listening on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     that address, but you should be able to fix it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     by adding -A192.168.1.10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     to your startnetldi command line (see the man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     page for startnetldi).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Once you've started netldi with that option,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     netstat -ltpn should show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     netldi listening on that address.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     First:my environment is based on tODE and i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     think to change the file startNetldi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     adding some parameter to the last line.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         #! /bin/bash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         #=========================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         # Copyright (c) 2014 GemTalk Systems, LLC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         <dhenrich at gemtalksystems.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:dhenrich at gemtalksystems.com>>.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         #=========================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         usage() {
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           cat <<HELP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         USAGE: $(basename $0) [-h] <stone-name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Start the netldi process for the given stone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         OPTIONS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           -h display help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         EXAMPLES
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         $(basename $0) -h
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         $(basename $0) kit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         HELP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         set -e # exit on error
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         if [ "${GS_HOME}x" = "x" ] ; then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           echo "the GS_HOME environment variable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         needs to be defined"; exit 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         fi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         source ${GS_HOME}/bin/shFunctions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         getOpts_help $@
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         if [ $# -ne 1 ]; then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           usage; exit 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         fi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         stoneName=$1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         echo "starting netldi $stoneName"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         # set up stone environment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         stonePath=$GS_HOME/gemstone/stones/$stoneName
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         pushd $stonePath >& /dev/null
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         source $stonePath/stone.env
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         popd >& /dev/null
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         $GS_HOME/bin/tode startnetldi $stoneName
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         -A192.168.1.10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     But with this information when i do the command
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     : startNetlidi gestionale  i don't solve the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     The netstat -ltpn don't report  netldi listening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     on that address.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Second:in addition  the service are  started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     with Daemontools Gemstone service and  i don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     know where i need add the -A parameter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Anyone know informations about it ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Dario
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     -Martin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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