[Glass] GemTools on remote server
Dale Henrichs via Glass
glass at lists.gemtalksystems.com
Mon Mar 30 11:41:18 PDT 2015
Dario,
I just tried again and I started with an ico downloaded from the ubuntu
site:
ubuntu-14.04-server-amd64.iso
Created the vm using vmware player 7.x.
Installed ssh manually:
sudo apt-get -y update
sudo apt-get -y install openssh-client
sudo apt-get -y install openssh-server
scp'd the osPrereqs script that I mailed you to the server and ran it with:
./osPrereqs -G -X -o ubuntu14.04
When it finished I logged out and back in using the `X` flag to ssh:
ssh 192.168.100.131 -l dhenrich -X
then launched GemTools on the server
GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-3101x.app/GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-3101x.sh &
and it came up fine ...
Soooo, there must be something different about the setup of your
Ubuntu14.0.4 virtual machine ...
Now I never did track the exact X11:i386 library that was needed by the
Pharo1.1.x vm, but the sane:i386 did the trick for me...
Dale
On 03/30/2015 11:02 AM, Dale Henrichs wrote:
> So Dario,
>
> Just to check ...
>
> tODE works when run on the server (using X11 forwarding) or on your
> local macbook (using port forwarding).
>
> GemTools works on your local macbook (using port forwarding) and not
> on the server (with X11 forwarding)...
>
> The latest stable vm for Pharo-3.0 does not work with the old Pharo1.1
> images, so we will need to figure out the magic that it takes to get
> GemTools working on your server .... I have it working on my server,
> but I will try again to verify that I didn't sneak in a package
> upgrade that I forgot to include ...
>
> Dale
>
> On 03/30/2015 10:31 AM, Dale Henrichs wrote:
>> Dario,
>>
>> tODE uses Pharo3.0 and GemTools uses Pharo1.1.x ... the required X11
>> libraries are different between the two vms ...
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> On 03/30/2015 10:02 AM, Dario Trussardi via Glass wrote:
>>> Dale,
>>>
>>> tODE client works into remote without problem.
>>>
>>> GemTools not.
>>>
>>> it's strange !?
>>>
>>> It's a GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-3101x.sh definition problem ?
>>>
>>> Dario
>>>
>>>> Dario,
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a clue at this point, since that was the formula that
>>>> worked for me ...
>>>>
>>>> Below is the script that I used to install all of the
>>>> prerequisites using the `-G -X -o ubuntu14.04` options...
>>>>
>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> #! /bin/bash
>>>> #=========================================================================
>>>> # Copyright (c) 2015 GemTalk Systems, LLC
>>>> <dhenrich at gemtalksystems.com>.
>>>> #=========================================================================
>>>>
>>>> echo "================="
>>>> echo " GsDevKit script: $(basename $0) $*"
>>>> echo "================="
>>>>
>>>> set -e # exit on error
>>>>
>>>> usage() {
>>>> cat <<HELP
>>>> USAGE: $(basename $0) [-h] -o [ubuntu12.04|ubuntu14.04] [-X] [-G]
>>>>
>>>> Install os-specific required packages:
>>>> - 32 bit libraries
>>>> - git
>>>> - curl
>>>> - unzip
>>>> - ssl
>>>> - PAM
>>>>
>>>> and os-specific optional packages:
>>>> - X11
>>>>
>>>> OPTIONS
>>>> -h
>>>> display help
>>>> -o
>>>> select os
>>>> -G
>>>> install GemTools and the GemTools prerequisites
>>>> -X
>>>> if present, X11 client installed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> EXAMPLES
>>>> ./$(basename $0) -h
>>>> ./$(basename $0) -o ubuntu12.04
>>>> ./$(basename $0) -X -o ubuntu12.04
>>>> ./$(basename $0) -G -X -o ubuntu12.04
>>>>
>>>> HELP
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> installUbuntuPackages(){
>>>> sudo apt-get -y update
>>>> sudo apt-get -y install curl
>>>> sudo apt-get -y install git
>>>> sudo apt-get -y install zip
>>>> sudo apt-get -y install unzip
>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libpam0g:i386
>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libssl1.0.0:i386
>>>> sudo apt-get -y install gcc-multilib libstdc++6:i386
>>>> sudo apt-get -y install gdb
>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libfreetype6:i386
>>>> sudo apt-get -y install pstack
>>>> sudo /bin/su -c "echo 'kernel.yama.ptrace_scope = 0'
>>>> >>/etc/sysctl.d/10-ptrace.conf"
>>>> if [ "${X11client}x" = "1x" ] ; then
>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libgl1-mesa-dev:i386
>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libxcb-dri2-0:i386
>>>> fi
>>>> if [ "${gemtools}" = "true" ] ; then
>>>> sudo apt-get -y install sane:i386
>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libsm6:i386
>>>> if [ ! -d "GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-31x.app" ] ; then
>>>> wget
>>>> http://seaside.gemtalksystems.com/squeak/GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-310x.zip
>>>> unzip GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-31x.zip
>>>> fi
>>>> fi
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> os=""
>>>> X11client=""
>>>> gemtools=""
>>>>
>>>> while getopts "ho:GX" OPT ; do
>>>> case "$OPT" in
>>>> G) gemtools="true";;
>>>> h) usage; exit 0 ;;
>>>> o) os="${OPTARG}" ;;
>>>> X) X11client="1";;
>>>> *) usage; exit 1 ;;
>>>> esac
>>>> done
>>>> shift $(($OPTIND - 1))
>>>>
>>>> case "$os" in
>>>> ubuntu12.04)
>>>> installUbuntuPackages
>>>> sudo ln -f -s /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpam.so.0 /lib/libpam.so.0
>>>> sudo ln -f -s /usr/lib/i386-lin-gnu/libstdc++.so.6
>>>> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so
>>>> ;;
>>>> ubuntu14.04)
>>>> installUbuntuPackages
>>>> sudo ln -f -s /usr/lib/i386-lin-gnu/libstdc++.so.6
>>>> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so
>>>> ;;
>>>> *) usage; exit 1;;
>>>> esac
>>>>
>>>> On 03/28/2015 04:12 AM, Dario Trussardi via Glass wrote:
>>>>> Dale,
>>>>>
>>>>> i think to update the ubuntu server to:
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get -y update
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install curl
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install git
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install unzip
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libpam0g:i386
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libssl1.0.0:386
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libssl1.0.0:i386
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install -qq gcc-multilib libstdc++6:i386
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/i386-lin-gnu/libstdc++.so.6
>>>>> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install gdb
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libfreetype6:i386
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install pstack
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo /bin/su -c "echo 'kernel.yama.ptrace_scope = 0'
>>>>> >>/etc/sysctl.d/10-ptrace.conf"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libgl1-mesa-dev:i386
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libxcb-dri2-0:i386
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get install sane:i386
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get install libsm6:i386
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But when i do the command:
>>>>>
>>>>> scandella at scandella:/opt/GemTools/GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-3101x.app$
>>>>> ./GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-3101x.sh
>>>>>
>>>>> the system answer the same error:
>>>>>
>>>>> could not find module vm-display-X11
>>>>> Annullato (core dump creato)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Considerations ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dario
>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay in addition to the published 14.04 prereqs[1] (including X11
>>>>>> client prereqs[2]), the following two packages need to be loaded
>>>>>> for GemTools to work on Ubuntu14.04:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sudo apt-get install sane:i386
>>>>>> sudo apt-get install libsm6:i386
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/osPrereqs/ubuntu14.04.md#install-basic-prerequisites-required
>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>> https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/osPrereqs/ubuntu14.04.md#install-x11-client-optional
>>>>>> On 03/27/2015 11:51 AM, Dale Henrichs wrote:
>>>>>>> Dario,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think I have stumbled across the magic for getting GemTools to
>>>>>>> run on 14.04. Try this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sudo apt-get install libx11-6:i386 libsm6:i386
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had done some other installs along the way, but with no
>>>>>>> success ... Since I've pretty much trashed my ubuntu vms during
>>>>>>> this excercise, I will have to start with fresh ubuntu installs
>>>>>>> to verify exactly what is needed and that will be a little while ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I'm done I will verify and include the GemTools information
>>>>>>> in the soon to be released gsDevKitHome 1.0.0 documentation:)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>> On 03/27/2015 10:42 AM, Dario Trussardi via Glass wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dale,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dario,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Use `sudo netstat -p` to find out process is using that port ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the Ubuntu server into ssh the sudo netstat -p
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> seems not occupy the 57858 port.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can the problem is into mackBook ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The macBook command netstat report:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tcp4 14 0 localhost.57858 localhost.51370 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51361 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51323 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51234 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51187 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51177 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51167 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51142 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51123 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51120 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51109 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51065 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 14 0
>>>>>>>> localhost.57858 localhost.51063 CLOSE_WAIT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What i need do ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dario
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 03/27/2015 09:52 AM, Dario Trussardi via Glass wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dale,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dario,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure right now ... Pharo1.1 must have a different set of
>>>>>>>>>>> prerequisites ... it will take a bit of time for me to
>>>>>>>>>>> figure that out, I suppose you could try running GemTools
>>>>>>>>>>> over the lan using the ssh port forwarding until I figure
>>>>>>>>>>> out the missing prerequisites ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No after reboot the Ubuntu system server, the GemTools on
>>>>>>>>>> macBook don't work,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> because when i open the ssh session with :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> meetingto:~ dtr$ ssh scandella -l scandella -L
>>>>>>>>>> 57858:localhost:57858 -L 57860:localhost:5786
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the 57858 i already in use.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See the point:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Another questions about macBook GemTools problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dario
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/27/2015 09:24 AM, Dario Trussardi via Glass wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dale,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dario,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As part of my work for the soon to be released
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gsDevKitHome 1.0.0, I have taken a pretty close look at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the prerequisites[2] and I've got a detailed list of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> prerequisites for Ubuntu14.04[2]. I think I've added a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of prereqs since you've done an install ... mainly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the areas of support for ptrace (C stack straces) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> freetype fonts for pharo. Check you list against the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> required prereqs[5].
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't verify the prerequisite for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks like you have the X11 Client already installed on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the server, so you will need to install GemTools on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> server. You should just be able to scp the GemTools zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>> file over to the server and go ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I open ssh session with:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ssh -X scandella -l scandella -L 57858:localhost:57858 -L
>>>>>>>>>>>> 57860:localhost:57860
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And submit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> export GS_HOME=/opt/oodb/gsDevKitHome
>>>>>>>>>>>> export PATH=$GS_HOME/bin:$PATH
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> $GS_HOME/bin/todeClient
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It work fine and i can submit tODE command on:gestionale
>>>>>>>>>>>> environment
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> After i download and unzip:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://seaside.gemtalksystems.com/squeak/GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-310x.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When i submit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> scandella at scandella:/opt/GemTools/GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-3101x.app$
>>>>>>>>>>>> ./GemTools-1.0-beta.8.7-3101x.sh
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the system answer:
>>>>>>>>>>>> could not find module vm-display-X11 Annullato (core dump
>>>>>>>>>>>> creato)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea about it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Another questions about macBook GemTools problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> after reboot the server Ubuntu system now when i open a ssh
>>>>>>>>>>>> on my macBook with:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> meetingto:~ dtr$ ssh scandella -l scandella -L
>>>>>>>>>>>> 57858:localhost:57858 -L 57860:localhost:5786
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the system answer:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> bind: Address already in use
>>>>>>>>>>>> channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 57858
>>>>>>>>>>>> bind: Address already in use
>>>>>>>>>>>> channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 57860
>>>>>>>>>>>> Could not request local forwarding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS (GNU/Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.13.0-24-generic x86_64)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A this point when i open the GemTools on my macBook and
>>>>>>>>>>>> open the session the system answer:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Error: Unable to create a GemStone session.
>>>>>>>>>>>> NetLDI service '57858' not found on node 'localhost' port
>>>>>>>>>>>> 57858 :
>>>>>>>>>>>> For further information about login failures, check the
>>>>>>>>>>>> gem log file
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understund because 57858 i already in use after
>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot the system.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Before use the ssh -X .................. all worked well,
>>>>>>>>>>>> at the login the 57858 is free and GemTools session work
>>>>>>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any considerations?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dario
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the best performance using GemTools, I think that X11
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forwarding[3] (instructions included) is probably the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> option. In my limited experience using X11 forwarding
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with compression) with tODE, the update delays are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nearly as annoying as the pretty long round trip induced
>>>>>>>>>>>>> delays seen when using GemTools over the WAN.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, I think that SSH port forwarding[4] is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best option for tODE. tODE does a pretty good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> limiting the number of round trips so having snappier
>>>>>>>>>>>>> window updates is appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does that clarify things for you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/osPrereqs/osPrereqs.md
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/osPrereqs/ubuntu14.04.md
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/x11ForwardingForRemoteDisplays.md
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [4]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/portForwardingForRemoteLogins.md
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [5]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/osPrereqs/ubuntu14.04.md#install-basic-prerequisites-required
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/26/2015 05:11 AM, Dario Trussardi via Glass wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dale, Mariano,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for now my server tODE environment is installed into my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office and i don't have performance problem with GemTools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the next week the server will installed on remote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office of my client and i'm interested to work on it from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my home office on WAN.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But i don't have clear that i need to install on the server.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The server is based on Ubuntu 14.04 server and for now i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install git
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install unzip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install curl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libpam0g:i386
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libssl1.0.0:386
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libssl1.0.0:i386
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install -qq gcc-multilib libstdc++6:i386
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/i386-lin-gnu/libstdc++.so.6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libx11-6:i386
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libgl1-mesa-dev:i386
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get -y install libxcb-dri2-0:i386
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What other i need to load ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What i need to load for GemTools on the server( and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relative prerequisite ) ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After installed all, how i can test the GemTools load on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the server with X11 forwarding ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Into another e-mail Dale write:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things are a bit snappier if I use port forwarding, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the advantage of XLL forwarding is that you don't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to install GemTools on the remote system...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But relative performance are good?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the best solutions, i'm confusing?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any help, considerations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dario
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mariano,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have a point that ssh tunneling for X may be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better option ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dario, When we get the port forwarding option working,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can give X11 forwarding a go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'd need to install the X client on your server and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have another little writeup (that's part of the soon to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be release gsDevKitHome 1.0.0) that details the X
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> packages that need to be installed for X11 client [1],
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since you don't need the full blown X server for X11
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forwarding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/osPrereqs/ubuntu14.04.md#x11-client-optional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/25/15 7:14 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dario,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not read the full email.... but If you allow me a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick recommendation (maybe offtopic here), I would not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use remote GemTools. It is really too slow and becomes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusable. It is far easier and faster to use SSH with X
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward and run GemTools locally in your server. So in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GemTools you simply put localhost etc... and then do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ssh -X etc..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you can even improve performance of SSH with X by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alias ssh-x='ssh -c arcfour,blowfish-cbc -XC'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then ssh-x myserver...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Dale Henrichs via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glass <glass at lists.gemtalksystems.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:glass at lists.gemtalksystems.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dario,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll have to wait for Martin to chime in with what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he thinks may be going on now ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but, I'm inclined to take a different tack to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> address your GemTools remote login problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have ssh installed and you can log into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remote machine using ssh, so you should be able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup ssh port forwarding for GemTools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done a writeup on this as part of the soon to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be released gsDevKitHome 1.0.0[1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a nutshell you do the following (after setting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the static ip address):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ssh scandella -l scandella -L 57858:localhost:57858
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -L 57860:localhost:57860
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # cd to your gestionale directory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . defStone.env
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $GEMSTONE/bin/startnetldi -a scandella -g -p
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 57860:57860 -P 57858 gestionale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The use localhost in your session description, :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OGCustomSessionDescription new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name: 'Scandella3106 gestionale';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stoneHost: 'localhost';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stoneName: 'gestionale';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gemHost: 'localhost';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> netLDI: '57858';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/portForwardingForRemoteLogins.md
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/25/15 3:07 AM, Dario Trussardi via Glass wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dale,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dario,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replace the line:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $GS_HOME/bin/tode startnetldi $stoneName
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -A192.168.1.10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a direct call to the startnetldi as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described in my last email:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $GEMSTONE/bin/startnetldi -g -a $USER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -A192.168.1.10 -l \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $GEMSTONE_LOGDIR/${stoneName}_ldi.log \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ${stoneName}_ldi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BUUUUUUT,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK i do this test, i report what i do:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before we get to the point where we are trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debug the startNetldi script, let's verify that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can start a netldi that works with your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remote GemTools. So:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. login in as the user that is running your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stone processes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I login as scandella
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. cd $GS_HOME/gemstone/stones/<stone-name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i go to my gestionale stone directory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. execute the following bash script:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . defStone.env
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i do the command: . defStone.env( with a blank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after the. )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. then manually start the netldi:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $GEMSTONE/bin/startnetldi -g -a $USER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -A192.168.1.10 -l \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $GEMSTONE_LOGDIR/${GEMSTONE_NAME}_ldi.log \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ${GEMSTONE_NAME}_ldi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i do the command :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $GEMSTONE/bin/startnetldi -g -a scandella
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -A192.168.1.10 -l
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $GEMSTONE_LOGDIR/gestionale_ldi.log \gestionale_ldi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It Report:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GemStone version '3.1.0.6'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startnetldi[Info]: Starting GemStone network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> server 'gestionale_ldi'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startnetldi[Info]: GEMSTONE is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> '/opt/oodb/gsDevKitHome/gemstone/stones/gestionale/product'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startnetldi[Info]: GEMSTONE_NRS_ALL is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> '#dir:$GEMSTONE_LOGDIR#log:%N%P.log'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startnetldi[Info]: Log file is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> '/opt/oodb/gsDevKitHome/gemstone/stones/gestionale/logs/gestionale_ldi.log'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startnetldi[Info]: GemStone server
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'gestionale_ldi' has been started, process 4336 .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the scandella at scandella:~$ netstat -ltpn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command report :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Non tutti i processi potrebbero essere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identificati, le informazioni sui processi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non propri
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non saranno mostrate, per visualizzarle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tutte bisogna avere privilegi di root.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Connessioni Internet attive (solo server)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proto CodaRic CodaInv Indirizzo locale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indirizzo remoto Stato PID/Program name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://0.0.0.0:21/> 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://0.0.0.0:22/> 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://0.0.0.0:25/> 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 <http://0.0.0.0/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LISTEN -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tcp6 0 0 :::25 :::*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LISTEN -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:57858
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://127.0.0.1:57858/> :::*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LISTEN 4336/netldid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tcp6 0 0 ::1:57858 :::*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LISTEN 4336/netldid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tcp6 0 0 192.168.1.10:57858
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://192.168.1.10:57858/> :::*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LISTEN 4336/netldid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:54660
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://127.0.0.1:54660/> :::*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LISTEN 4248/shrpcmonitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tcp6 0 0 ::1:54660 :::*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LISTEN 4248/shrpcmonitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tcp6 0 0 :::57323 :::*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LISTEN 4246/stoned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. test your remote GemTools
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I update the GemTools session:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OGCustomSessionDescription new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name: 'Scandella3106 gestionale';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stoneHost: 'scandella';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stoneName: 'gestionale';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gemHost: 'scandella';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> netLDI: '57858';
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .............
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...........
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It don't work, when i do theGemTools loginthe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system go into loop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until i stoped the:gestionale_ldi 4336 process
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dario
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When we get GemTools working with a manually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started netldi, then you can try changing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startNetldi script.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/24/2015 04:02 PM, Dario Trussardi via Glass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dale, Martin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/24/2015 01:02 PM, Dario Trussardi via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glass wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you intend with: did this fix it for you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For now i don't resolve the problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, thanks. From your previous message I wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure whether you were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still seeing the problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considerations?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The netldi is only listening on the IPv6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> localhost address. If you want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use GemTools from another machine, it must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also listen on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 192.168.1.10 address. I'm not sure why it isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already listening on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that address, but you should be able to fix it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by adding -A192.168.1.10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to your startnetldi command line (see the man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page for startnetldi).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once you've started netldi with that option,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> netstat -ltpn should show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> netldi listening on that address.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First:my environment is based on tODE and i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think to change the file startNetldi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adding some parameter to the last line.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #! /bin/bash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #=========================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # Copyright (c) 2014 GemTalk Systems, LLC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dhenrich at gemtalksystems.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:dhenrich at gemtalksystems.com>>.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #=========================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usage() {
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cat <<HELP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USAGE: $(basename $0) [-h] <stone-name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Start the netldi process for the given stone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OPTIONS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -h display help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EXAMPLES
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $(basename $0) -h
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $(basename $0) kit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HELP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set -e # exit on error
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if [ "${GS_HOME}x" = "x" ] ; then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "the GS_HOME environment variable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to be defined"; exit 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> source ${GS_HOME}/bin/shFunctions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getOpts_help $@
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if [ $# -ne 1 ]; then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usage; exit 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stoneName=$1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "starting netldi $stoneName"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # set up stone environment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stonePath=$GS_HOME/gemstone/stones/$stoneName
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pushd $stonePath >& /dev/null
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> source $stonePath/stone.env
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> popd >& /dev/null
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $GS_HOME/bin/tode startnetldi $stoneName
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -A192.168.1.10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But with this information when i do the command
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> : startNetlidi gestionale i don't solve the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The netstat -ltpn don't report netldi listening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on that address.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second:in addition the service are started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Daemontools Gemstone service and i don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know where i need add the -A parameter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone know informations about it ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dario
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Martin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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