[Glass] Rowan installation

Sun May 2 22:00:54 PDT 2021

Thanks, Dale, that clarifies things a bit. It may also add to the confusion
if you ship the directory
GemStone64Bit3.6.1-x86_64.Linux/upgrade/projects/Rowan which appears to be
more than the "very small subset" that you install / support.

Please remind me where I can find the Jade download, there does not seem to
be a directory under https://downloads.gemtalksystems.com/pub

Thanks

Otto Behrens

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On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 6:53 AM Dale Henrichs <
dale.henrichs at gemtalksystems.com> wrote:

> Otto,
>
> With regards to your Jade issue, you need to download a new version of
> Jade whenever there is a new GemStone release as the gci libraries are
> included in the product download. Presumably you originally downloaded your
> copy of Jade after the release of 3.5.0 ... You should be able to download
> a recent copy of Jade to be able to log into 3.6.1 images...
>
> With regards to Rowan being installed by upgradeImage.topaz, it is true
> that a symbol dictionary named RowanKernel is added to SystemUser's symbol
> list when upgrading to 3.6.0/3.6.1. It is also true that the RowanKernel
> symbol dictionary is present in SystemUser's symbol list in the 3.6.0 and
> 3.6.1 extent0.dbf and extent0.seaside.dbf. So, I can understand that you
> might think that "Rowan is installed", but it is only a very small subset
> of Rowan that is present and the code that is present is in support of the
> topaz commands TFILE and TMETHOD.
>
> Now that I understand the full story of why you were "interested in
> Rowan," I completely understand that you don't have time to play with Rowan
> and I'm sorry for the confusion.
>
> Dale
>
> On May 1 2021, at 10:24 pm, Otto Behrens <otto at finworks.biz> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the update, Dale.
>
> I am starting with upgrading to GS 3.6.1. We sometimes use Jade with GS
> 3.4.1 and I could not log in with Jade (it appears to stop at 3.5.0). So, I
> looked around and found https://github.com/GemTalk/Jadeite and there it
> tells me that I need a Rowan enabled GS to use it. So I gave the most
> recent version a try because I was under the impression I need it for 3.6.1
> and Jadeite.
>
> It is a pity the stuff does not work. We just need something (a bit easier
> to use) than topaz to browse code and debug.
>
> You ship a version of Rowan with the 3.6.1 installation, which I did not
> try because the "installRowan" or "install_Rowan" or whatever files seem to
> be different to the more recent ones.
>
> What is strange is that you don't pre-install Rowan in your extent0 /
> extent0.seaside, but the upgradeImage.topaz script installs Rowan. What
> does that mean? If I upgrade our GS databases I have some version of Rowan
> installed, but it does not install when I just start from extent0? Just
> confusing.
>
> Sorry, I really can't spend time now on "Rowan in this rough state". I
> have to upgrade GS to a newer version, which is painful enough.
>
> Regards
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 6:41 PM Dale Henrichs <
> dale.henrichs at gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
>
> Otto,
>
> Rowan isn't quite ready for prime time ... I haven't been keeping the
> installation instructions up to date, because I'm not prepared to support
> it's use ... when Rowan is ready it will be pre-installed in extent0.dbf .
> Right now we build an extent0.rowan.dbf, but we do not ship it in the
> product release ...
>
> Rowan is certainly usable as it stands today (v2). We use Rowan and
> Jadeite on a daily basis internally for working on the base image and other
> projects, but there are several features that aren't quite ready for
> production and we have yet to write much documentation. I'm aiming for
> Rowan v3 being ready for production use, but we are still working on
> getting a Pharo based dev environment for non-windows users and the current
> version of Jadeite doesn't support all of the features for v3.x. For
> example, Jadite does not have gui support for creating Rowan projects and
> packages, but Rowan has a pretty extensive api, and you can write doits to
> fill in the blanks.
>
> If you want to play with Rowan in this rough state, then I recommend that
> you download a 3.6.1 rowan extent[1] , Oscar3.1.1pre-release1[4] and take
> it for a spin with 3.6.1.
>
> Caveat emptor, consider this  an early pre-Alpha! Upgrade support and
> documentation will not be provided until it is officially released and not
> all of the features that I consider required are functional). With that
> said we would appreciate feedback, so feel free to submit feedback for
> Rowan here[2] and Jadeite here[3].
>
> If you (or anyone else) decides to take an early tour of Rowan, please
> drop me a line and tell me what you are thinking of doing and I will
> provide you with basic instructions for doing what you want to do or tell
> you that it's not ready for that:).
>
> Now is a good time for providing feedback, especially if you have certain
> expectations for an official GemStone development environment, because
> there is still room to consider feature requests for inclusion in v3 ...
>
> Dale
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/dalehenrich/superDoit/releases/download/v0.1.0/3.6.1_extent0.solo.dbf.gz
> [2] https://github.com/GemTalk/Rowan/issues
> [3] https://github.com/GemTalk/Jadeite/issues
> [4] https://github.com/GemTalk/Jadeite/releases/tag/Oscar3.1.1pre-release1
> On Apr 30 2021, at 1:46 am, Otto Behrens via Glass <
> glass at lists.gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I downloaded GemStone 3.6.1 and tried to install Rowan (I understand that
> I need it to run Jadeite). I'm getting the following error messages. Can
> you please help?
>
> ERROR 2010 , a MessageNotUnderstood occurred (error 2010), a Rowan class
> does not understand  #'gemstoneTools'
> topaz > exec iferr 1 : stk
> ==> 1 MessageNotUnderstood >> defaultAction         @2 line 3
> 2 MessageNotUnderstood (AbstractException) >> _signalWith: @5 line 25
> 3 MessageNotUnderstood (AbstractException) >> signal @2 line 47
> 4 Rowan class (Object) >> doesNotUnderstand:    @9 line 10
> 5 Rowan class (Object) >> _doesNotUnderstand:args:envId:reason: @8 line 14
> 6 STONReader class (Behavior) >>
> _rwCompileMethodForConditionalPackaging:symbolList:category:environmentId:ifUnpackagedDo:
> @28 line 42
>
> Thanks
>
> Otto Behrens
>
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