[Glass] Debugging in GemTools and "undefined symbol"

[Dale K. Henrichs]

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| From: "Mariano Martinez Peck" <marianopeck at gmail.com>
| To: "Dale K. Henrichs" <dale.henrichs at gemtalksystems.com>
| Cc: glass at lists.gemtalksystems.com, "Johan Brichau"
| <johan at yesplan.be>
| Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:02:47 AM
| Subject: Re: [Glass] Debugging in GemTools and "undefined symbol"

| On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Dale K. Henrichs <
| dale.henrichs at gemtalksystems.com > wrote:

| | | From: "Mariano Martinez Peck" < marianopeck at gmail.com >
| | 
| 
| | | To: "Johan Brichau" < johan at yesplan.be >
| | 
| 
| | | Cc: glass at lists.gemtalksystems.com
| | 
| 
| | | Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:03:09 AM
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| | | Subject: Re: [Glass] Debugging in GemTools and "undefined symbol"
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| | | On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Johan Brichau <
| | | johan at yesplan.be
| | | >
| | | wrote:
| | 
| 

| | | | I'm afraid these are things you get used to in gemtools :-/
| | | 
| | 
| 

| | | Ok, I feel better I am not the only one ;)
| | 
| 

| | | | Luckily, it's not the place to develop most of your code...
| | | 
| | 
| 

| | | Indeed.
| | 
| 

| | | But my question was more about if it was a problem of GemTools
| | | (hoping tODE could solve this) or a more technical problem (like
| | | context reification , debugger temp map, etc...)
| | 
| 
| | Frankly I don't recall the technical reason that temps
| 
| Actually is neither temps or instance variables. The only thing I
| seem to have access to is "self".

| | were not made available in the GemTools debugger ... our compiler
| | is
| | written in C and does not have as many entry points as the Pharo
| | compiler so "faking a method context" when doing evaluation within
| | debugger frame could be a bit difficult to accomplish ... then
| | again, I might not have been smart enough when I wrote the debugger
| | chunk ...
| 

| I can imagine the difficulties, that's why I asked ;)

| OK, so at least you confirm the limitations and I am not doing
| something wrong.

| | I haven't added menus to the text windows yet in tODE, but now that
| | you've mentioned this I will take a closer look at making this
| | happen in tODE ...
| 

| I don't know what you mean by "added menus to the text windows".
| For me, there most important thing from GemTools is the ability to
| debug a problem from the ObjectLog. So..that's why I would like the
| most from tODE: the debugger.

There is a reason that you are not using tODE today (actually several:) ... I have a list of `must have` features to add to tODE[1] before letting folks use it and adding menus to text windows as well as debugging ObjectLog are on the list ...I have been focusing on the "new and different" capabilities/functionality of tODE at the expense of not addressing the "obviously needed but relatively straightforward" capabilities/functionality ... 

The base _has_ to be solid before building too much on top of it:). 

I _am_ making slow, but steady progress[2]. 

Dale 

[1] https://github.com/dalehenrich/tode/issues?direction=desc&page=1&sort=updated&state=open 
[2] https://github.com/dalehenrich/tode/commits/dev 
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