[Glass] Locked by Smalltalkhub and Tonel

Sun Oct 11 11:43:57 PDT 2020

Bruno,

I have finished doing the the fork and conversion of the XML projects:

 1. https://github.com/GsDevKit/XML-XMLParser
 2. https://github.com/GsDevKit/XML-XMLWriter
 3. https://github.com/GsDevKit/XML-XPath

The tests are nicely failing on Travis, too:):

 1. https://travis-ci.org/github/GsDevKit/XML-XMLParser
 2. https://travis-ci.org/github/GsDevKit/XML-XMLWriter
 3. https://travis-ci.org/github/GsDevKit/XML-XPath

They are all failing (at the moment) because  of problems loading the 
OrderPreservingDictionary project[1], which is not surprising, because 
it is a tonel-based project. If you need that project forked and 
converted to Filetree, let me know. At this point it takes just a few 
minutes to convert from tonel to filetree using the T2F2T-Conversion 
project[2].

The filetree format packages are in a filetree directory and I've left 
the tonel-based src directory untouched (almost). My expectation is that 
the filetree format packages will be used to do the port and if you are 
interested in working towards a point where the work would be merged 
back into the pharo-contributions project, you could merge the 
.travis_pharo.yml and .smalltalk_pharo.ston files into the _gemstone 
variants so that pharo and gemstone tests could be run ... it's up to 
you. The T2F2T-Conversion script can covert from filetree back to tonel 
as well, so it will be possible to create a tonel-based PR for 
pharo-contributions when the time comes to merge.

I got to the point where I could use a topaz solo-based bash script[3] 
to do the conversion from tonel to filetree and filetree to tonel, but 
this bug[4] means that filetree to (pharo produced) tonel  isn't 
practical, until I enhance Rowan to write using the pharo_tonel format[5].

Given the bug[4] and my time constraints, I stopped short of documenting 
the procedure and the extent0.rowan.dbf  extent that I use[6], but I 
plan on coming back and finishing up the job once my work on 3.6.0 is 
complete:)

Let me know if you need the OrderPreservingDictionary project[7] 
converted or run into any other issues and I will do what I can, when I 
can ...

Dale

[1] https://travis-ci.org/github/GsDevKit/XML-XPath/jobs/734790965#L2019
[2] https://github.com/GsDevKit/T2F2T-Conversion
[3] https://github.com/GsDevKit/T2F2T-Conversion/blob/master/docs/man.txt
[4] https://github.com/GsDevKit/T2F2T-Conversion/issues/1
[5] https://github.com/GemTalk/Rowan/issues/648
[6] https://github.com/GsDevKit/T2F2T-Conversion/issues/2
[7] https://github.com/pharo-contributions/OrderPreservingDictionary

On 10/7/20 11:13 AM, bruno buzzi brassesco via Glass wrote:
>
> Dale,
>
> It is a download problem.
> It will be much better to have those package for GemStone in github.
>
> If you can transform Tonel format into FileTree i will found some time 
> to do some TLC on them and sent the PR to you.
>
> My projects use XML extensively.
>
> regards,
> bruno
>
> On 7/10/2020 13:25, Dale Henrichs via Glass wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 10/6/20 1:04 PM, Bruno Buzzi Brassesco via Glass wrote:
>>> I have 3 dependencies on Smalltalkhub that are not working.
>>
>> Do you mean that you are not able to download from Smalltalkhub or 
>> that you need to make changes and cannot write to Smalltalkhub ...
>>
>> If it's the former, you should send a message to the Pharo list and 
>> get the problem addressed... There were some stability issues in the 
>> last month or so, but AFAICT those have been addressed.
>>
>> If it's the latter, then we do need to do something.
>>
>>> All were moved to github but stored in Tonel format:
>>> https://github.com/pharo-contributions/XML-XMLParser
>>> https://github.com/pharo-contributions/XML-XPath
>>> https://github.com/pharo-contributions/XML-XMLWriter
>>>
>>> Which is the best way to install them on GS ?
>>> 1) Wait until GS includes Tonel format ?
>>> 2) Fork and install them in Pharo then locally save them as FileTree 
>>> (then git push).
>>> 3) Try with *http://deprecated.smalltalkhub.com/ 
>>> <http://deprecated.smalltalkhub.com/>* (available until november)
>>
>> I think this is a valid option for loading existing packages for the 
>> foreseeable future (READONLY)... My understanding is that the STATIC 
>> smalltalkhub site will be maintained for a long time ... I think that 
>> November was the original date that was scheduled for the cutover to 
>> a purely static site. The problems that I mentioned earlier caused 
>> the Pharo folks to switch to the static site ahead of schedule ...
>>
>> But since this is a read only option we need to create a GemStone 
>> fork of the XML projects.
>>
>> With Rowan I can read tonel and write filetree, so creating and 
>> populating the fork is not an issue ...
>>
>> I am slightly concerned that pharo-contributions projects have been 
>> evolving over the last few years without keeping the GemStone port 
>> up-to-date (there are still GemStone packages in the projects, 
>> however, the GemStone specs have been stripped from the baselines), 
>> but with a little bit of TLC, we should be able to be in business ...
>>
>> As usual, I am pretty busy, but now I'm busy with the upcoming 3.6.0 
>> release and I'm on the critical path (at least for the next several 
>> weeks), so I don't have the time to provide the necessary TLC to get 
>> the projects ported back to GemStone. I do have the time to create 
>> forks of the pharo-contributions/XML-* projects, convert tonel to 
>> filetree, and set things up to run tests on travis, but beyond that 
>> would be pushing things too far for me.
>>
>> Rowan won't be available in 3.6.0, but it is scheduled to show up in 
>> 3.7. There are some features in 3.6.0 that are critical to some of 
>> our customers and we had to push the release of Rowan into 3.7.
>>
>> I mention this because my thoughts are that I would do a direct fork 
>> of the pharo-contributions/XML-* projects and convert to filetree in 
>> a separate directory structure ... that way over time, there would be 
>> a path between the filetree and tonel formats. I would create a topaz 
>> solo script that would convert back and forth between filetree and 
>> tonel format, so that we can actively keep up-to-date with the 
>> pharo-contributions/XML-* projects as well as feed back bugfixes.
>>
>> Sooo if there are other folks that have the time and interest to work 
>> on porting the pharo-contributions/XML-* projects to GemStone, I will 
>> go ahead and get the ball rolling.
>>
>> I took a cursory look at state of the XML projects a couple of weeks 
>> ago and it looks like there have been significant changes made since 
>> the pharo-contributions projects were forked from smalltalkhub, so I 
>> am very curious about the fact that if we base the work on 
>> pharo-contributions we'll be leaving some XML users in the dust.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>>
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